I see posts like this every now and then, but I’m not convinced this is happening on any real scale. In fact, most pro-Trumpers I’ve encountered have been making excuses for every shady thing he’s done since taking office as “getting America back on track”
People that say trump supporters are regretting his election really don’t get trump supporters. A HUGE portion of them voted for trump b/c it hurts their opponents. They don’t care how it hurts them just as long as it hurts their opponents.
If there were a hundred thousand articles pushed out for a hundred thousand individuals that still leaves 73 million or whatever willing enablers.
Reminds me of the joy when watching interviews with people on the British/Irish border, when they learned they now have to buy their groceries 30 mins further than they were used to. They also said: “we didn’t vote for this”. What do people expect to happen when they vote for something?
It’s weird to see billions of dollars and thousands of media-hours invested into a massive industrial scale propaganda engine. And then, after all of that time and money and manpower, we get a “I can’t believe you fell for it”.
This is regardless of who wins. I remember conservatives smugly insisting their debt-sunk kids and grandkids were idiots for supporting Biden. I remember smug liberals pointing to the shoddy fly-by-night wall building operation on the border and insisting “You fucking idiot border conservatives got what you paid for.” I remember conservatives, in turn, laughing at all the liberals who thought Obama would bring about universal health care and climate change reforms and high speed rail.
Every fucking cycle we get this smug “Haha, you idiots fell for it.”
Remember when Biden was “only one term” and “the most progressive president in history?” His entire career was on the record for us to see what a servile and slimeball of an insider he was. At least with Trump you know you’re getting a bad deal, he wears his sleaze on his sleeve.
At least with Trump you know you’re getting a bad deal
People legit don’t. That’s the unlimited power of the conservative echo chamber. True Conservatives Has Never Really Been Tried is a claim that echoes back to the fucking Nixon Administration. In another eight years, Republicans will be complaining that The Donald was too Woke and insisting Ted Cruz / Ron DeSantis are the only ones brave enough to do Real Conservatism.
This is all exactly what I expected from a second Trump presidency and is exactly what I voted against.
They pre-announced all of this shit with Project 2025.
I haven’t heard any of them say this isn’t what I voted for. Sadly it’s exactly what most of them want. They don’t give a shit if democracy is lost.
idk, I feel like we could take a much better approach to this. Instead of just mocking them, maybe point out how they maybe can’t trust where they got their idea of who trump was, and maybe to stop supporting him?
“If you believed x, maybe it’s time to look at who told you x and whether they’re a trustworthy source of information”
This happened in the UK too with Brexit. When things turned out badly, in the exact way as was predicted, it was “this isn’t what I voted for”. But the problem was never with the vote itself, it was always the fault of politicians not implementing things correctly, it was the EU’s fault for not giving them what they wanted although they voted to be outside of it, experts didn’t warn them enough although they ridiculed said experts because the experts didn’t went along with the Brexit beliefs.
It’s like trying to be Scully and going against Mulder’s “I want to believe”.
Maybe, MAYBE in his first term they could pull this “oh no we were fooled” crap but not on his second term.
We have a saying in Texas: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on…wait…how does it go again?
Ya can’t…get…fooled again?..
No he isn’t. They’re all fucking thrilled. Where are y’all getting this shit? Trump voters are tap dancing right now.
There are some stories of trump voters that had their immigrant wifes deported and they are totally shocked, because “shes one of the good ones”
Sad thing is, they’d probably try to vote him in a third time anyway.
I saw a news story from conservative women who have government jobs that are now realizing DEI means women too, not just black . Not saying they’re rational but they’re out there
There’s also teachers who voted for Trump that are surprised he’s going to dismantle the department of education and freeze the federal funding they depend on.
Like 60% of the male Latino vote went to trump, and I’ve seen Trump support shirts among those rounded up by ICE, so some of them are in the Find Out phase.
There’s also the idiot Arabic groups that helped get Trump in power by demonizing Harris then are all shocked Pikachu when Trump turned out to be exponentially worse.
There’s also the idiot Arabic groups that helped get Trump in power by demonizing Harris then are all shocked Pikachu when Trump turned out to be exponentially worse.
“Demonising Harris” here is a shitty euphemism for “Democrats refused to stop supporting genocide then told any and all voters, but especially Arab voters who might have particularly cared, to fuck off”, with the shocked pikachu in practice being Democrats who are surprised when telling voters to fuck off over concerns about genocide did not help them turn out the vote to beat Trump.
Then being racist about those same minorities by blaming the election loss on “Arabic groups” after monstering them as saboteurs and belittling their concerns repeatedly.
Almost like anyone with 2 brain cells could have told you that’s both bad policy and bad campaign strategy.
In an Oct. 16 memo, the leading super PAC supporting Ms. Harris raised alarms about being outspent on television. The group, Future Forward, said in the memo, which was first reported by The Washington Post, that it would be “difficult for anyone” but the Harris team to close the gap because of the higher ad rates that super PACs pay.
It was hardly Future Forward’s only frustration. Another memo, issued days later, pointed out “very high-performing ads that have yet to get a big spend.” One ad, Future Forward said, had ranked in the “100th percentile” — meaning it was the most effective — yet it had virtually never been aired.
Campaign officials, meanwhile, were frustrated that Future Forward sat on so much of its money until the final weeks, forcing the campaign to spend more on the airwaves earlier.
Another Harris challenge: After raising $1 billion in less than three months, a bevy of consultants, allies and others were often angling for a cut, including the chairman of the Democratic Party in Philadelphia. In September, the Harris operation contributed almost $25 million to other party committees, in part to quiet those demands.
Some media allies of Ms. Harris were also paid. Areva Martin, who hosts a talk show, was paid $200,000 as a media consultant, and she went on a battleground-state tour in October.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/17/us/politics/harris-campaign-finances.html
Typical left-wing economic agenda items like “living wage,” “affordable housing,” “paid family leave,” or “union jobs” dropped out of Harris’s vocabulary in the weeks after Labor Day. Tracking the use of more neutral terms relating to the economy — like “wages,” “jobs,” and “workers” — we see a trend line that slopes upward into early September before declining over the following weeks. By October, Harris was spending less of her time campaigning with Shawn Fain and Bernie Sanders than she was with Republican Liz Cheney and billionaire Mark Cuban, unlikely candidates to push any kind of progressive economic message, let alone a populist one. Cuban was gleeful enough to declare that the “progressive principles . . . of the Democratic Party . . . are gone. It’s Kamala Harris’s party now.”
This pivot wasn’t merely rhetorical: donors, consultants, and business-connected campaign staff pushed Harris to “clarify” or de-emphasize previous statements indicating support for a slate of popular policies on price controls; capital gains, corporate, and wealth taxes; and a host of other issues. Harris’s vague suggestions that she would engage in price controls to bring down inflation were watered down into a policy that already exists in most states that prevents businesses from profiteering on natural disasters. Her gestures toward taxing the wealthy became a capital gains tax proposal of 28 percent, far lower than the Biden administration’s proposed 40 percent; and she never took a position on Biden’s proposal to tax unrealized capital gains. And as time went on, the candidate spoke less and less frequently about her watered-down price-gouging proposal or her commitment to taxing the rich.
https://jacobin.com/2024/11/harris-campaign-economic-populism-democracy/
While in Michigan, Clinton criticized Palestinian and Arab-Americans who oppose the Biden-Harris Administration’s support for Israel’s war on Gaza, which has killed at least that 43,000 Palestinians, most of them women and children, and rendered much of Gaza uninhabitable.
In a speech yesterday, Clinton argued that Israel was justified in not keeping “score” of civilian casualty counts in Gaza due to Hamas’ October 7th attack. He also claimed civilians have been killed because they were used as human shields despite the fact the Israeli government has engaged in what even President Biden admitted was “indiscriminate” bombing, destroying mosques, churches, schools, hospitals, and refugee camps.
He also justified Biden administration’s support for the Israeli government’s genocide in Gaza by arguing that Israelis had lived near Gaza since “before [Islam] existed,” citing King David and referring to the Holy Land as “Judea and Samaria,” a term used by far-right Israelis who oppose a Palestinian state. Clinton stated that President Biden was fulfilling his “duty” to Israel by providing unconditional military support.
“Arabic groups” didn’t decide the Democratic parties campaign message. “Arabic groups” didn’t decide where Democrats spent their campaign money. “Arabic groups” didn’t ask for Bill Clinton to lecture them about Judea and Samaria and how it belongs to Israel, nor did “Arabic groups” emphasise running an entire slate of Republicans at the DNC, whilst refusing just one Palestinian American speaker that would have effectively endorsed Harris on behalf of the uncommitted movement on stage. “Arabic groups” didn’t tell Democrats to downplay their economic messaging for fear of upsetting lobbyists and rich donors feelings.
So ushering in fascism was the solution? How’s that going for them?
Waste of time talking this fool. Same type that calls the police on their suicidal friend and then is shocked when the police execute the friend. Those who allow themselves to be ruled by belief and feelings cannot be reasoned with, they can only be controlled.
What drugs are you on?
Why is it so hard for you to hold people with power accountable for their own actions, as compared with incessantly lashing out at random voters online? Why are you liberals so head in the sand delusional that you refuse to engage with any insight or critique of the Demcoratic party, how it operates, and the decisions that leadership are clearly responsible for keep making?
I didn’t decide what Kamalas campaign message was. I didn’t decide how she spent the money. I didn’t decide that ethnically cleansing Palestinians was too important a position to sacrifice after their own base and literally people within the state department told them repeatedly it was bad policy and bad electorally. No one single person or voter who you decide to fixate on and lash out at online because you got mad at seeing criticism of Democrats meaningfully changed the outcome of the election themselves. How Democrats chose to campaign did.
Making the best decision given two options is one of those adulting skills that one must learn.
These stupid excuses and others have made is like not having enough money to cover all your bills so you spend the money on drugs and alcohol.
It’s not cute that you choose escapism and I’m not the bad guy for calling you out.
Making the best decision given two options is one of those adulting skills that one must learn.
AND WHY DO YOU NOT APPLY THAT TO DEMOCRATIC LEADERS WHO HAD THE CHOICE BETWEEN GENOCIDE AND NO GENOCIDE
Holy fuck, I have had enough of you pathetic morons who never ask basic fucking questions and never make basic fucking demands of people who hold and wield actual power and are the ones making the choices, you absolute fucking cretin. Every fucking thing you say applies just as much and moreso to those who actually run the fucking party and decide its policy. Fucking hell, do all the dumbest motherfuckers congregate on these threads just to repeat the same bullshit over and over with no critical thinking or introspection?
These stupid excuses and others have made is like not having enough money to cover all your bills so you spend the money on drugs and alcohol.
You don’t even make any fucking sense. You’re saying random shit that has no relation to anything.
It’s not cute that you choose escapism and I’m not the bad guy for calling you out.
Oh my fucking God, shut the fuck up. You aren’t doing anything lashing out at random people online because you’re mad you saw someone criticise Democratic leadership. In what world is engaging seriously with understanding the party, what it does, how it works, how its leadership makes decisions, what they do and what they don’t do, more “escapism” than wasting everyones fucking time litigating which random people you encounter online did or did not vote correctly and which demographics you can single out to blame for an election loss WHILST REFUSING TO ENGAGE IN ANY UNDERSTANDING OF THE LEADERSHIP AND ITS OWN DECISIONS IN THE POLICIES THEY ENACT AND THE CAMPAIGN THEY RAN TO WORK TO CONVINCE PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR THEM?
Your ass talking about escapism when you’re on a niche forum trying to litigate random nobodies about who they did or didn’t vote for because someone pointed out Democratic leadership had choices they made too, choices that you refuse to ask basic fucking questions about because it’s easier to comfort yourself in the idea that you’re a good citizen that did everything you could possibly do solely by putting a tick next to a Democrats name, to then spend your time trying to hold that above other random nobodies rather than think about difficult questions regarding how your political system and the party you support actually fucking operates and why it operates that way that might leave you with significantly less easy answers but a more serious understanding of the world.
Or, y’know, just shut the fuck up, baby brained dipshit.
People aren’t controlled by political leaders. Choosing not to support the only legitimate option that wasn’t fascism is a stupid way to stick it to the leaders.
Yes, the democrats ran a bad campaign, but that’s a shit excuse to not fight against fascism.
People like you lack any concept of prioritization. If someone throws a molotov cocktail through your window, you don’t try to fix the window before putting out the fire. If you let the house burn down you can never fix the window.
People aren’t controlled by political leaders. Choosing not to support the only legitimate option that wasn’t fascism is a stupid way to stick it to the leaders.
Who said they were?
Yes, the democrats ran a bad campaign, but that’s a shit excuse to not fight against fascism.
And the democrats had the most means to do so, including as part of an election campaign they fucked.
People like you lack any concept of prioritization. If someone throws a molotov cocktail through your window, you don’t try to fix the window before putting out the fire. If you let the house burn down you can never fix the window.
People like you lack any concept of power and responsibility, or systems and systemic thinking. You’re right dude, it’s me, the only person in the world who could have stopped fascism in the US by voting for Democrats, despite the actual voting numbers severely outnumbering me, and despite the fact that the campaign wasn’t even (singularly) decided by people voting with regards to Palestine, and also despite me literally being in the UK and not having the legal or practical ability to vote in US elections, fucking numbnuts.
The only concept, and the only thing you seem to have the brain power for, is thinking exclusively in terms of individuals who you encounter online that you can shout at for criticising Democrats by suggesting it was their fault Democrats lost. Liberals right now are like someone who sees news of a horrific accident involving a lorry’s brakes malfunctioning, crashing into oncoming traffic, who then go about roaming the streets lashing out at random lorry drivers shouting “YOU DID THIS!!!” as the appropriate response. And if anyone says “people who are in charge of the vehicles should bear some responsibility for the functioning of the lorries” you lash out at the person who says that and claim it’s actually their fault now.
I don’t know, ask the Democratic party if ushering in fascism was the solution to not wanting to move away from endorsing genocide. Ask the Democratic party if ushering in fascism was the solution to not wanting to run a campaign that might have put them at odds with the lobbyists who pay them, including Kamalas brother-in-law, Ubers chief legal counsel who helped run the campaign. Ask the Democratic party if ushering in fascism was worth moving right on immigration and trans rights only to lose anyway.
The democratic party didn’t vote Trump in. The people did.
There was absolutely zero chance that any politician with a chance of winning was going to side will Palestine. Full stop. The Harris campaign was the best option anyone had for any semblance of a peaceful resolution to this.
Trump wants to speed run the genocide so he can build a resort.
If Palestine was your single issue that caused you not to vote against fascism, you’re a moron and are complicit in the upcoming genocide in the US. Full stop.
Because look what happened. Did sticking it to the Harris campaign change anything for the better at all?
There was absolutely zero chance that any politician with a chance of winning was going to side will Palestine. Full stop. The Harris campaign was the best option anyone had for any semblance of a peaceful resolution to this.
So there it is. You just get to declare genocide as inevitable to suggest other people shouldn’t or can’t care. It’s always the same fucking bullshit - you’re the noble Palestinian defender with their best interests at heart, whilst declaring them an acceptable target we should just not have to really care about or show any interest in. The typical Democrat approach of “I care about minorities only as far as I can throw them”.
Trump wants to speed run the genocide so he can build a resort.
And according to yourself, Democrats were going to genocide them anyway. So what’s with the faux concern? It was inevitable regardless. Anybody who cared just needed to suck it up and accept mass murder and expulsion of a people. Actually the Democrats lost because you cared too much.
As always, there’s a scapegoat to show the Democrats can never fail. They can only be failed. It was Bernie bros in 2016 that singularly caused the Democrats to lose. Now in 2024 it’s anybody who cared about Palestinians.
If Palestine was your single issue that caused you not to vote against fascism, you’re a moron and are complicit in the upcoming genocide in the US. Full stop.
Again, wild that dipshits like yourself don’t hold Democrats in power to account. Are the Democrats not morons for refusing to budge on genociding Palestinians? Are Democrats not complicit in their actions and their campaigning? Democrats signed on to the Laken Riley act. Fetterman spent months taunting people who cared about Palestinians and calling everyone who criticised Israel terrorist supporters and Hamas. Democrats ran ads saying they’re against trans people whilst also claiming to be defending and speaking for them. They ran anti-immigrant ads talking about immigrants stealing welfare. Kamala when asked about anti-trans laws answered “they should follow the law”.
Because look what happened. Did sticking it to the Harris campaign change anything for the better at all?
Did Democratic leadership sticking it to their base and their voters change anything for the better at all? Look what happened. They still lost even after caping for genocide!
Libs still coping hard from their losing genocidal candidate.
Low effort ragebait.
They said that last time too, 75 million people still decided “You know what, at least it’s not a liberal black woman”. Or something about Gaza. At least it wasn’t buttery males this time.
There’s a big thread on /r/conservative right now circle jerking about how not concerned they all are and how it’s exactly what they voted for. Sure buddy, come back and say that when something shitty Trump does affects YOU which it certainly will.
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Imagine believing that Trump will come for the privileged white bros.
Fascism consumes itself
This is what they voted for and it’s what everyone who didn’t vote, voted for.
Just because you’re single issue doesn’t mean the politicians are.
Like, people had been screaming at these single issue voter to not do it, yet they did it, everyone is fucked, and they pretend they didn’t do it.
I wouldn’t be this annoyed if it’s some small country but this is US, their policy affect the world. What worst is melon husk trying the same trick on other country as well.
And they’d vote for him again no matter.
Enjoy a moment of schadenfreude… Sure, but understand that it changes nothing.
Seriously. It’s been 10 years of Trump BS antics in the news. If anyone is surprised I have have an oil to sell them that will cure that.
Where are people seeing these stories? I’m not trying to deny their existence at all, I’m just curious where they are?
I’m a huge fan of irony.
all the people who refused to vote for kamala must be so pleased with how little palestinian genocide is about to happen. aren’t they? well? aren’t they?
no?
gee it sure sounds like their whole little plan backfired in the worst possible way come to think of it, ACTUALLY.
It didn’t backfire at all. If we can demonstrate that the Democrats can’t win if they support genocide, then maybe they won’t support genocide next time. And if they cannot be persuaded to listen to reason, then they need to be replaced by another party and the sooner we start on that the better.
Y’all think this was unexpected because you never bothered to understand our positions or arguments. You just strawman us and then believe your own strawman. Trump being worse on Gaza was already acknowledged and considered, there is no surprise here and no regret, we made the correct choice and will do it again if we have to.
I see an awful lot of people post-justifying doing nothing as some form of radical resistance.
Well, sure, maybe it is resistance, and maybe they have a clear conscience… But it didn’t do a fucking thing, did it?
their whole little plan backfired
Was there a plan in the first place? It would’ve looked like this:
- Don’t vote Kamala
- Trump wins election
- ???
- No profit at all, everything’s fucked
- Vote Cornel West because he’s an ok person who opposes genocide.
- It doesn’t matter at all because of where I live in this sham democracy.
- Continue to be berated by delusional genocidal libs for the rest of my life.
- Vote Kamala
- Trump does not win election
- There’s still hope for a better future
- Politics doesn’t end on Election Day. Continue to pressure Kamala over the genocide
exactly, and she’s gonna take human rights into consideration way more than Trump ever will
Did you ever try asking someone to explain the reasoning, or did you you just assume whatever strawman you came up with was real?
ok you explain it then
Sure. If you make your vote conditional on supporting a certain policy, then you create an incentive for politicians to support that policy in the future. Politicians have no incentive to care about the concerns of people who support them unconditionally. That means it’s at least potentially the rational and strategic line to draw a red line somewhere, and if you agree with that, then it’s pretty obvious that genocide is crossing that line.
Pretty simple. As the saying goes, why buy the cow (give the voters what they want) when you can get the milk (votes) for free?
I still don’t understand why just because Kamala didn’t explicitly oppose Israël, you choose to allow Trump to worsen the whole situation by forcefully deporting all Palestinians out of Gaza.
She didn’t merely, “Refuse to explicitly oppose Israel.” She and Biden were completely supportive of Israel, sending them more and more weapons (beyond what congress approved btw) no matter what they did and applying no pressure to them. They went after pro-Palestine protesters and refused to allow a Palestinian-American to speak at the convention. They made it extremely clear which side they were on, and thinking otherwise is just wishful thinking.
ok and what is better about trump?
It’s almost like it could have been easily predicted
Yep. As soon as I heard her stance on Israel, I got a sinking feeling. There was such hope and enthusiasm at first, but she just had to pander to AIPAC.
She also muzzled Walz and started being super corporatist.
I think the DNC and their consultants did that. I saw an interview with their consultants after the election, and they were all “We have no idea what went wrong”, etc. etc. They all think that Trump is some wild anomaly, not that their strategy sucks. Anybody could’ve told you that people were tired of the status quo, so a status quo candidate would have trouble winning.
The nuanced stance that Israel, an ally, was attacked and had a right to defend itself but that they shouldn’t cause a humanitarian crisis in Gaza?
That she was committed to a two state solution?
That she consistently called for ceasefires all of last year?
Y’all got played if you think Harris was pandering to AIPAC.
What good is calling for a ceasefire if there’s no leverage? Netanyahu ignored Biden’s calls for a ceasefire because he knew that Biden would just back down if he ignored it. Harris was the same. You can call for ceasefires until you’re blue in the face, but if Netanyahu can just say “Naw”, and nothing happens, then what good is it?
“Oh, then this isn’t what I thought I voted for.”
It’s exactly what you thought you voted for. (They wouldn’t admit that they’re wrong though)
Leopards ate my face
If y’all think leopards are eating the faces of the privileged white people who voted for trump, then you’re even more delusional than usual.
I’m fairly the certain the original post was about someone who has gotten their face eaten by a leopard and tried to claim they had no interest in meeting said leopard for lunch.
Whether or not leopards are, by and large, feasting on faces similar to the original poster’s, I cannot speak to that.
